Guest: Jordan Laux, The Supported Postpartum RN
Season 1 Episode 10 of Better Relationships After Baby Podcast
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TLDR Podcast Notes
- The way we did (or didn’t) experience love as a child can impact how we give and receive love now
- Motherhood opens up a whole journey of healing and growth
- Communication is key to making space for you and your partner to heal and grow
- In a long-term relationship, you are constantly receiving and learning to love someone new because of consistent system updates
About Our Guest, Jordan Laux
Jordan is a pediatric and perinatal nurse whose heart has always been with mothers and children. After having a child of her own in 2019 and experiencing both birth trauma and the lack of support in postpartum from healthcare and our culture at large, a spark was lit in her heart to educate, and empower mothers in the postpartum period.
American culture leaves mothers isolated and unprepared for the intense holistic changes motherhood brings. In the last three years this radical transformation of identity, relationship reorganization, body image struggles, and priority shifts has fanned this spark into a flame to create a supportive community for mothers because it’s something greatly lacking in her own life. Jordan is trying to manifest this community of support and education with The Supported Parenthood RN.
By day Jordan is reheating her coffee 27 times while being bossed around by her toddler daughter, and by night she’s either working in the hospital or dreaming of ways to connect with other mothers.
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Whenever you sent the email about, you know, our conversation because it started off as just one thing you posted about love languages. Yeah. And really relevant because I simply, like just had this realization about love languages that we’ll get into, like literally two days before. So when you posted I was like, Oh, wow, that’s creepy.
I was watching you.
Exactly. You’re like, Oh, I see you girl. By that whatever you emailed about this episode and talked about motherhood and unhealed, you know, Inner Inner Child work and unhealed trauma and all this kind of stuff. I was like, Oh, wow. Yes. Yes. That resonates so hard, because I feel like that’s been my entire motherhood journey that nobody prepared me for. And now that I’m, you know, almost three years into it, I really feel like you know, the note on my phone literally said, like, I was unprepared for how radically transformative motherhood is. And, and it was so eye opening, and then it was literally like, almost inside of myself. This whole person that I knew, was standing on top of a false floor and then motherhood, like lifted up a rug and showed me a door and opened up the dorms like, oh, by the way, you’re down there. Have fun!
You know, two minutes and and I’m already a little teary eyed, probably going to be one of those episodes that’s just like, mom to mom, human to human. This is what we are going through and often don’t have a lot of spaces to talk about. So welcome back parents to the better relationships after baby podcast, where we talk about how and why your relationship gets to get better after having a baby. And I don’t sugarcoat it, I don’t pretend like it’s this magical unveiling of a of a new box that just pops open with a surprise of love and joy and laughter all the time. But we very intentionally have this opportunity to get to know ourselves in a new way and get to know our partners in a new way, and really level up our relationship with ourselves and with our partners. So today, I am joined by Jordan, who I fell in love with because she also has a podcast, and she did an episode with her partner and I was just like, laughing weeping like feeling like I was sitting with a best friend as I was listening to it. And I literally messaged her and was like, hi, you have no choice, you’re gonna be my friend. So here we are, um, Jordan, will you introduce a little, a little bit about who you are, what you do, and who makes up your family.
So I am a nurse. I started out in peds. And now I’m currently a neonatal nurse. And one of the things that I have always always had on my heart is maternal and infant health care ever since I was 16. And a lot of work in like refugee health care working with specifically moms and children, like vulnerable populations, the whole nine yards is just my jam. And so I want to say about eight ish months ago, I personally had a really traumatic birth, and the lack of resources and support after that was so eye opening, that I sat there. And then whenever I was working with all my moms in the NICU, I said, Wow, we have got to do better postpartum wise. So I’m attempting like with my podcasts, and I have a blog, and I’m starting the journey into kind of creating my own model of postpartum care and trying locally and stuff like that. So that’s me. I’m in a very short blurb. And then so I have a daughter, she will be three in September. And she’s just she’s absolutely marvelous. She’s absolutely wild, actually, naked and barefoot in the front yard right now, which is exactly I love her. And then I have my husband. And I’ve actually known him since I was 16. So we have a very long history. And I actually love our relationship story. We’ve had lots of ups and downs. And I think parenthood, in general has been the biggest relationship bootcamp ever. But I feel like every, and it’s not like a building everyday type of thing. I feel like we go through these intense periods of change, and then we’ll kind of like even out and then we’ll go through another period where like, oh, wow, we have got some crap to work out. You know. And so those ebbs and flows, it’s just, it’s really, it’s been interesting. And I love going on that ride with him. So I hope he says the same. You made me do too much work internally, woman.
Well, I had commented to you after listening to your podcast episode with him that he was very open and was sharing and seems super insightful. And I think you said, Well, it hasn’t always been that way. But maybe parenthood or something else brought him into that space.
Um, probably me. I definitely. So I have always been an incredibly introspective person. And I hold myself to a very high standard of like, trying to be honest and who I am, and like doing that work and trying to figure out how I can better in my relationships with both myself and other people. And so he he is the complete opposite of me, in the fact that I am like this very intense, wild, adventurous, just like spontaneous crazy person. And he’s like, cool, like, yeah, life’s life’s chill. I’m good. He’s so chill. And so even and The thing about him is that he might not always be like insightful and himself or even introspective, but he’s very open to that. Like he, I will literally say, Hey, we’re gonna go out to the desert for 10 days and go on a crazy vacation. And he’s like, oh, yeah, sure, you know, and that’s kind of how he is on on emotional stuff to I’ll sit down and be like, so we need to have like a talk. Like, not not you’re in trouble talk. But like, I have a lot on my mind. And he’s like, right, you know, and he’s ready for it and might have trouble. You know, like, like, on my podcast, I said, I think it’s important when you’ve had the conversations to let someone process like, that’s something he’s taught me, because I used to be like, dump all this stuff on him. And he’s not a very, like, he asked to process that. And I’d be like, Okay, how do you feel? I don’t know. And I’m like, What do you think you don’t know? Right? So like, learning that it’s funny. So he he Yeah, I have definitely pushed him in trying to make us better to learn more about himself, which has been an interesting journey for him, too.
Oh, man. Yeah. So it sounds like you’re the external processor. He’s the internal processor, which can be hard to navigate, use big conversations when we are taking in and giving back information in different ways. But I love how you have identified that and are it sounds like working with that? So that’s exciting.
Yes, it’s, it’s funny, because every now and then, like you will, and it’s, it’s just important, and just accepting your partner I think is one of the biggest things, things that they can’t really change about themselves. And there’s nothing wrong with that, like, every now and then. And also accepting your reaction to it sometimes. And, you know, in communicating that, because sometimes I will be super emotional, and I’ll be talking to him, and he’ll just stare at me. I’m like, Okay, you got to do something. And he’s just like, looking at me. And I say, that’s fine. But I’m like, Okay, I gotta walk away, because I can’t handle your staring. You’re giving nothing back. But, you know, it’s just more of I know, that’s how he is, and then come back a couple hours later, and then we’ll talk again. And so I forgive myself, and I’m like, I can’t handle you right now just staring at me. But then I also like, allow him that space.
Oh, my gosh, that is, like, number one gem to just re state is that we, we have to accept a lot of things about our partners, and stop putting so much energy into trying to change them now. I mean, obviously, there are like harmful habits that need intervention, but things like the way we process information is just a part of who we are. And the resistant energy we use to try to make our partners do that differently is energy, we could probably use another ways.
Oh, for sure. It’s, it’s interesting. I mean, one thing that I have learned, especially with him I am a huge advocate for over communicating not in like that people pleaser way like over explaining yourself, but like over communicating because I don’t think you can ever do that too much. And an example of that is literally the other day. So I had been I typically do all of my work stretches or my days in a row. So I will be gone. For five days in a row, I work nights I work 12 hour shifts. So I’m just basically sleeping and working for five days. And so I’m in the kitchen, and there’s a bunch of laundry. And my husband is a people pleaser himself. And we’re working on this. He rarely asked for anything he needs. And for me, that’s a huge source of anxiety, because I’m like, if you don’t tell me what you need, I can’t help you. And then I have this terrible fear that you’re gonna resent me one day, but you never allowed me to, like, prevent that, you know? So we’re working on him telling me what he needs. So he walks by the laundry, and it’s like, Hey, if you could throw in a load of laundry, that would be great. If not, it’s fine. And all of a sudden, I had this like intense anxiety, emotional reaction to that, like, whoa, what do you mean, it’s fine. You either want me to do the lottery, or you don’t like you got to? And so he’s like, Whoa, where did that come from? And I said, Oh, okay, hold on, hold on. Let me take a second. I clearly have a lot going through my mind. And then I just started explaining to him like, Hey, that was a mixed message and blah, blah, blah. And this turned into a 30 minute conversation over a comment about laundry, of course what I write, but I advocate for that because had I not sat there and explained why I had this emotional reaction. I would have been mad at him for the whole day and not even gotten his perspective and he would have not understood and that would have just kept going. You know and so I I that’s probably the biggest thing about me that maybe he loves and maybe he hates. But I’m always an over communicator.
I love to hear that, because I’m obsessed with communication. And I think that sometimes people don’t slow down to have these conversations because they think they don’t have time, right. And being a new parent is little time, little energy, little space. Yes. But the time you take to get a clearer understanding and be able to shift patterns and expectations in the future, those 30 minutes, save so much time in the long run. So I love hearing about those very clear conversations. Okay, I want to make a little shift here. And I, that was just so fun to get inside your home a little bit, and like, hear that back and forth. And I’m pretty sure that we’re gonna have some moms who, like screenshot this, and they’re like, that’s exactly what happens in my house. So if you’re listening, and that’s you let Jordan and I know that those kinds of patterns resonate with you, and that maybe you got some new insight on how to work with them. Jordan, earlier, we were talking about this kind of awakening that happens in motherhood. And the way that I look at it is that it’s almost like this unfair trick of the universe, that we are given this really hard, vulnerable, sweet, precious, complex time, when we have this new baby, and we’re raising these children. And simultaneously, for many of us, it seems, the universe is like, also like, here’s all your unhealed trauma and the story of your life that you haven’t faced. And so now, if you really want to show up as a parent, you should probably start working on these things. That timing, it seems like, what it’s kind of how it hits.
I, it’s funny, because I love therapy, it has been the most life changing thing I’ve ever done for myself. And I started back in July, whenever my daughter was about a year and a half. And so I would absolutely advocate for people to, you know, for for women that know they want to have children to maybe do a spotter therapy before motherhood, it would absolutely help. But I don’t think you can actually prepare for the insane shift that happens in motherhood. Because all of a sudden, like, for example, even something so small. And on a positive note, I’m not a patient person, I never have been. And then I get my daughter. And for some reason, I can have the most incredible patience ever. And not even like I’m forcing it like it’s just this natural patients where I’m like, oh, yeah, this is fine. We’re good. Like, here, we’re gonna, and I’m like, what? Who is this? You know? So on one hand, it’s wonderful. I feel like that shift. But on the other hand, you know, so many people sit there and focus on Oh, you know, you are going to have this baby and you’re going to meet this baby. And it’s like, Hey, by the way, you’re going to meet someone new to it’s going to be yourself. Have fun with that.
Yes. And you’re going to live with them every second of the day. And you’re going to make decisions you’ve never made before and face challenges you’ve never faced before.
Yep, it’s insane. And it’s uncomfortable. It’s so uncomfortable. Like I’ve had so many like getting real vulnerable. So many times where I have just all of a sudden burst into tears, because it’s gotten to a point where I am feeling or changing or discovering so much that it’s so overwhelming that I’m I just lose it. And then I think what the heck, like okay, this is fine, great. I’m bawling in my kitchen, or I just pulled in the driveway and all of a sudden, I burst into tears like what is going on here? You know, and it’s those moments of, especially on drives, I often cry in the driveway. I don’t know if anybody else does out there. Please tell me I’m not alone. I feel like you know, in the cars, my safe space, no one’s bugging me. I have no distractions I can think and then I’ll pull in the driveway. And I’m just like sobbing. Yeah. So it’s just it’s been an interesting ride. Especially going and doing that therapy has taught me so much about myself because I was noticing all these emotional reactions and patterns and thought patterns that I was not okay with, but I even though I could understand or I could understand that they’re happening. I couldn’t quite figure out how to stop them or how to change them. So I said, Okay, you know, I’ve done the most work, I can’t by myself, I need someone else’s perspective. And God bless my therapist, I love her. Um, and through doing that, I just, it completely changed my world, myself and my relationship. So it’s been it’s thanks, motherhood.
It’s so relevant and so real. It’s, it’s easy to kind of brush by some of these things. When we’re, well, of course, we’re still individuals. But when we’re, you know, individuals not responsible for the livelihood and the well being of another human. And that next level, entering motherhood kind of calls us into I think, accountability and the need to know what do you what do you actually want out of life? What are your values? What are you trying to do here? Where are you trying to go? And it opens up all of these doors and and I’m going to ask you some more questions and get into that. But first, I want to say for anyone who is maybe on the verge of this or hasn’t started to open doors, I like to say that the the warning, and it’s worth it. But when you start unpacking things, like if it kind of is like that Jack in the Box, but then has like five other things that pop out after Jack does. I don’t know if that’s real, but that’s the picture isn’t my head. But things keep coming to the surface. And it’s a journey. This is not like, Hey, I realized I have this tendency. So let me go get this healed taken care of bandaid check mark on with my life. It’s like layers and layers of undoing and unraveling and read putting pieces back together. It’s a journey. And I I just say that out front, because I think that we have to be prepared to not just have like a instant fix or Insta healing. But to really normalize this journey of being people who are returning to ourselves in a lot of ways.
I love that warning, because I started therapy in January. And then by February, I had we had done so much progress, I was in a great place. I was like This is amazing. So we stopped therapy. And then about a month ago, like I don’t know, my emotional world decided to go hey, you started work on your inner child. Well, now your inner teenagers coming out to play and she’s, she’s here, and she has a lot to say. And I felt like my emotional world imploded again. So I restarted therapy. And I was I sat there to my therapist and said, I was doing so well. And she’s like, Oh, so you’re human, and you have more things to discover. I’m like, stop it, I don’t wanna
I really thought I was super human.
Like, I was done, I fixed myself, okay. Unknown Speaker So many times, like, I thought I had already fixed myself.
It’s like, you know, you keep going down that steps, you know, and discovering new things. So just this, it’s amazing, because you do add so much dimension to yourself. And you learn so much about yourself as a person when you become a mom, and have that new, profound relationship. But it’s also really important. And I have to tell myself this all the time, that you are literally always in the process of becoming somebody. And like that never stops. And if you I mean, now, obviously, you wouldn’t want it to stop, you know, because if you just stopped growing, like, that’s kind of boring, and not effective. But at the same time, I think that’s sometimes a hard truth to kind of sit with where it’s like, okay, I’m doing all this work. And this is honestly kind of exhausting. And I want it to be done. And it’s like, no, you’re never done.
Sorry, honey, this is not how it works. Jordan, you brought up earlier and in conversation with me how you had kind of had this realization around how you accept and desire love, and maybe that being a little blocked for a while because of some unhealed things. Do you want to tell us a little bit more about that revelation and that experience of again, kind of returning to yourself?
That was very interesting for me. So I have to think of how like wherever there’s a guy so I had always growing up up. And in my teenage and young adulthood, I’m 29. So still young adult, I’m saying, but I had always been like, Oh, I hate being touched, I don’t like people touching me, bla bla bla bla bla, that was just in my mind, then I had always just thought that my love language was acts of service. Now, to caveat this, you know, we all have inner child wounds, and I love my mother. But the way that I was brought up was, you know, very conditional to how my mom wanted to receive her love was by doing things for her and, and that’s why as you know, she would often say, like, Oh, I do this, then this and this for you, and you’re ungrateful. And so there was a lot of like, guilt associated and shame and, and this kind of thing. And so I really felt like to justify my existence, essentially, I had to give back and give something and do something. And so that’s how I always was conditioned to believe that was the best way to give and show love. Yeah. And so this realization of how I actually truly wanted to desire love and see and receive love happened in the kitchen, where, you know, everyday places, and my husband had walked in the kitchen. And he just, like, gave me this quick kiss on the cheek, and then started breakfast. And all of a sudden, I like burst into tears just burst into tears. I thought to myself, what, what, what is being triggered right now? Because clearly, it’s something. And so he turns around, he’s like, What the heck, what is going on? And like, I don’t even know, it just I need a little bit. And so this was right around the same time that I just commented on, again, this this tumultuous emotional upheaval that I was having, where I was needing to re uncover things. And this event, this love language realization was actually what pushed me back to therapy. So I was like, Alright, cool. Like, I did some work, I was good. And now that I’ve done that work, clearly, there’s other crap that’s coming up. So after I had calmed down enough, I had realized that the thing that set me off was the fact that his good morning was just this, like, super brief, quick kiss on the cheek, it wasn’t very tender. It wasn’t very affectionate. And all like, all of a sudden, this complete light bulb, I sat there and thought, I want more touch. I thought, What the heck, like what I’ve always hated touch, what is this? And so through doing a lot more work, I realized, you know, I am actually an incredibly physically affectionate person to a very small handful of people. And it’s funny because my husband has even commented, like, you can be a little spider monkey, you’ll just like climb on top of me and wrap your arms and just lay there. And I thought how actually, I, I am like that. And I seek that out a lot. And I never realized that. And then that realization led me to believe that or realize that. The reason I have always said I hated touch was because it actually is deeply meaningful to me. And so people’s, like off handed or not off handed, but like, brief, or how do I want to put that like not meaning it in authentic and authentic touching, like, you know how people are just like, some people are just touchy with everyone, and they just do it just to do it. And that’s fine. But whenever I’m touched, it means something to me, whether it’s like holding hands or a hug, or playing with my hair, or whatever. And so I would get emotionally invested in whoever would be touching me. And so then I think that I grew up and had that block of like, Oh, I hate people touching me, because then that emotional vulnerability wouldn’t be there. And so when I had that realization, I went to my husband and I was like, Yes, I want you to touch me. And once you touch me all the time, and this is how I, like receive love now. And he’s like, okay, cool. I’ve known you for 13 years. So this is a big change. And but I just sat there and thought, okay, like, yeah, actually, this is who I am. And it was because I was conditioned to believe love was one thing that I never really got to meet the girl that was inside going hey, this is actually what love means to you and how you see love. And she’s here and she’s like, greatly freaking neglected. And she bald in the kitchen. Um, and now she’s working on. So
Oh my gosh, that’s such a beautiful story of how we see a part of ourselves, we make these connections. And I love that you had the safety, to be able to communicate that to your partner. And something that I wonder, Well, I actually know because they see this in some couples I work with, but we maybe forget that we’re both changing people, no matter how long, we’ve been together, so there shouldn’t be, or there needs not to be a well, you’ve always done this, or you’ve always done this. And a work that I like to help people do is to release some older versions of their partner, I know my husband, and I used to get caught in that. And we’d say, well, you, this is just the way you are, or you always respond this way. Or you have, you know, a mindset about it, that’s this way. And we started to see the areas where we hadn’t recognized each other’s growth, and we hadn’t almost accepted the updated version of one another, just like our computers, like they need an update, we go through updates, but sometimes we still see our partners in their old operating system.
It’s, it’s a form of complacency, almost, you know, and, and it’s so true, because just like moms go through this deep, deeply transformative time, so do partners, you know, they they are also parents and parenthood across the board where the birthday kid or not, is an incredibly deeply transformative time. And then once you start meeting those new versions of yourself, you know, through the inner child and the trauma work that I’ve been doing, I, I mean, my, my, I love my husband is such a patient man, because the past eight months or so that I’ve been in therapy has been a wild ride for both me, him and each other as a as a unit. And, and it’s so true, because you can’t sit there and say like, oh, well, you know, you’ve always done this, because now you’re, you’re either healing that pattern. And so that’s a hey, you know, almost giving forgiveness for a pattern you might have done that might not have been the healthiest and said, Hey, I’m working on this. And you have to let go of that resentment for that pattern. Or it’s a hey, like, this is a new version of my wife. That’s kind of cool, you know? Because, like I said, I’ve known him since I was 16, like 16 year old version of him is very different than 30. Oh, goodness.
We have to stop and accept the updates. Yes. Do you have any tips or just thoughts? Maybe for someone who is in a tender place, you know, a new mom or or new dad, whoever it is that’s listening? Who is starting to unlock some of these things? And maybe they’re afraid to present that to their partner or to communicate that to their partner? Because there is some vulnerability, there’s fear there. Is there anything that comes to mind for you, for either the partner who is sharing changes, or the partner who’s accepting changes on how to really support each other through that? have so many thoughts?
So, number one, it’s interesting, because, you know, you said some vulnerability, there’s a lot, there’s so much vulnerability, I think, I mean, first, you have to, you have to accept your own changes within yourself before you can present them to your partner. I think that’s a huge thing. Because if you’re still fighting against yourself, then you’re not going to be able to bring to your partner and say, hey, you know, this is what’s going on. And you don’t have to be like, figured it all out, by no means, you know, but if you can’t even within your own self admit or accept that these changes are happening, that how can your partner accept that those changes are happening, so that’s step one. But honestly, my biggest tip is to just talk about it and rip off that band aid. And actually, my biggest tangible tip is to have hard conversations in the car. Yeah, I this is probably one of the biggest things. One of our biggest, like, biggest leaps in our relationship happened whenever we went out. For our anniversary trip we get we get married and got married in October. So our anniversary is in October, and we went out west Um, last year, and we did this 10 day, six national parks like it was incredible. And but there was a lot of time in the car. And I tell people to have hard conversations in the car because there are no distractions. And it’s an enclosed safe space. So there, you don’t have to worry about anybody overhearing you or anything like that. And you don’t have to look at each other. Yeah, and it’s not weird that you’re not looking at each other. So you can say these things that, you know, you can just be staring at the road and admit them. And then like, just let it just let it float in the car, you know, and you can be a little more vulnerable, I think. So that’s something I like I preach all the time. Yeah. Throughout our marriage and our relationship in general. Before we got married, I had this little pre marriage workbook. And I’d literally be like, Okay, we’re going for a drive, and we’d like do a chapter in the car.
I think that’s great. And you had shared earlier that your husband tends to need some space to internalize things. So still think the car is a great place to do this. But how do you not go crazy waiting for your partner to internalize and then be able to continue the conversation?
Honestly, that is just a big part of acceptance of knowing him, I’m, you know, obviously, like, within our own relationship, I’ve known him for a long time. And so I’m very okay, now with silence, because I know that he and I don’t take that personally. Yeah, I used to take it personally. And I think that was actually going to be my next thing is that when you are growing, and when your partner is growing, I think the main thing that we can do to support each other, is doing a little bit of our own work to realize that it is not personal, it actually has nothing to do with us, because I, I’m going through all this stuff, and it is in no way a reflection of what my husband is or isn’t doing. And I might be a complete disaster. And he, at first when I was going through these changes would take it personally, I’m like, You have got to stop doing that, because I need to talk to you about this. And I’m not, this isn’t about, hey, I’m upset because you’re not doing anything. I’m, like going through all these things, and they have nothing to do with you. And I want you on this journey with me. I’m not saying you’re not doing something. And the same with him, you know, as he’s going through things, or he’ll get upset about things. It’s our natural inclination to be like, Oh, God, like that’s to try and fix it or, or, you know, be like, Oh, my gosh, I’m not doing enough, or I’m not being enough. And kind of, I think it’s a huge thing to
take back that ego because then we give the our partners the space to become to bloom. And then we can also accept and see and recognize that they are this person. And then it creates when you have those hard conversations, which you absolutely need to have. And just get it out there. Just word vomit, you know,
like, you will end up coming out of those conversations, and they are so uncomfortable. There’s a lot of like fear and crying. And like that’s it we’re done like this is this is going to upload our whole world kind of feeling. And then once you resolve all that, however long it takes you come out on the other side going, Wow, yeah, that’s my dude. That’s my This is us like,
Oh, that’s so good. So much to take from that, like, ideas and validation for our listeners. So I am going to wrap us up. And this question almost seems silly now because you’ve given so much information. But I always ask this at the end. What is just something that you would tell your new mom version of yourself about either your relationship with yourself or with your partner in this season of after baby?
Oh, goodness. I honestly think one way that I handle the vulnerability is I always ask myself, what’s the worst that can happen? And sometimes that answer is pretty, pretty intense. But when I face the worst that can happen like what’s the worst that can happen? If I tell my partner, you know, all of this inner turmoil what’s the worst can happen if I go to therapy or anything? Once I face that thing, and say, hey, I can get through that. Then it makes the doing of the action so much easier, and the doing will always serve you even if it’s a lot messier than you think it will always
serve you. So just do it.
So good, so good. Where can people find your podcast your mission and just connect with you and learn more about how you share the story, which is so important. So I am on Instagram, probably the, one of the only social medias I actually got the hang of moment. And so my brand is the supported parenthood RN. And so Instagram is at support at parenthood RN. And then I also have my website supported parenthood rn.com. And then my own podcast is the supportive parent podcast here. So, and my podcast, I do two episodes every month, and it’s on Apple, Google and all the other platforms and stuff so and then I’m always like, I love connection. So people like come talk to explore, share, so Yes, awesome. And you guys, just since you’re already on your podcast app, listening to this, go straight away and maybe start with her relationship episode because her and her husband talking together, it’s just so sweet and relatable, and so good. And I think that people are gonna get just comfort and validation from that as well. Jordan, it was so nice to spend time with you and get to hear even more of your story and glean some of your mama wisdom. And I know that there are going to be some awesome takeaways, and we will stay connected. Thank you so much. Thank you